Sunday, April 13, 2025

ARP349 Creating the Presidency, 1787

Over the last couple of weeks we’ve discussed how the Constitutional convention wanted the new US Congress to operate.  The Congress was by far the most important and powerful branch of government.  It was the only branch that existed above the state level under the Articles of Confederation.

The delegates, however, also recognized the need for an executive branch.  They had trouble trying to oversee the execution of their own laws under the Articles.  By the end of the war, the Confederation Congress was appointing secretaries to manage important components of the government.  Most delegates recognized the need to create a better structure to execute and enforce the laws.  All the states had some form of executive, which was the model that also existed in Britain.

Of course, in Britain, the executive branch was headed by the king.  No one at the convention, with the possible exception of Hamilton, wanted a king to rule over the United States.  So there was great debate on what an executive Branch would look like.  

Chief Executive or Executive Committee:

One question which the delegates debated was whether there should be a single chief executive or an executive committee.  Madison’s Virginia Plan had called for the creation of a single chief executive who would be appointed by Congress for a fixed term and that the executive could not serve a second term.  Paterson’s New Jersey Plan called for a group of executives to be chosen with similar restrictions.

James Wilson and Gouverneur Morris were most prominent in arguing for a unitary executive.  Having a committee subjected the executive to internal divisions which would create problems similar to a divided congress.  Former Governor John Rutledge also spoke in favor of a single chief executive.  

Proponents noted that every state had a single governor.  A single chief executive would have more accountability to Congress, would be more capable of secrecy, dispatch and decisive action, and would simply be most efficient.

There were those who had concerns about granting so much power to a single person.  So much of the convention’s debate centered around checks and balances that would prevent any single faction from gaining an upper hand.  Turning over so much power to a single person could thwart those protections and give an ambitious man a path toward becoming a tyrant.

While all states did have a governor, many of the executive functions were done by a governor’s council.  In the colonial era, while there were governors, many of them were absent or inactive, allowing local councils to perform many of the executive functions.  

Virginia Governor Edmund Randolph strongly opposed a unitary executive.  For him it came to close to monarchy.  George Mason similarly opposed it, calling the proposed presidency an elective monarchy.

For opponents, a plural executive created more checks and balances.  Randolph even suggested a three member executive council, with each member being drawn from different parts of the country in order to ensure no region of the country could dominate.

Despite these objections, the convention voted seven states to three in favor of a unitary executive.  New Jersey did not vote on the matter, which was decided even before its delegates proposed the New Jersey Plan.  Despite a minority’s efforts to reopen debate later, the majority considered the issue settled.  When, on July 17, a proposal was put forward to formalize the clause establishing a “National Executive” consisting “of a single person,” it was agreed to unanimously.

Opponents, however, conceding that point, argued that there should also be an executive council to constrain the president.  Some argued this council should have the power to vote on vetoes of congressional legislation.  The idea of creating a council was more divided.  On the same day in July when the convention voted in favor of a unitary executive.  It voted only 4-3 against creating an executive council.  Connecticut, Maryland, and Virginia supported the creation of a council.  Massachusetts, Delaware, North Carolina, and South Carolina voted it down.  Pennsylvania and Georgia had split delegations and could not vote.  New Jersey was absent.  The New York delegation had already gone home.

Selection of the Executive

The delegates also had to contend with how the executive would be selected.  Both the Virginia and the New Jersey plans suggested that the Congress select the executive.  This was how many states did it.  The state legislature would choose the governor after a legislative election.  This helped to ensure that the executive would be someone who would faithfully execute the laws as passed by the legislature.

Even in states that independently elected a governor, they usually had a governor’s council chosen by the legislature to ensure the executive would act in compliance with the legislature’s wishes.  The people at this time were especially dubious of an independent executive for fear that this person could easily turn into a monarch and a tyrant.  

Many delegates, however, favored an executive elected by the people.  James Wilson and James Madison both spoke passionately on the issue.  Many of the proponents were the same as those who had supported proportional representation in congress.  This new national government was supposed to be a government of the people, not of the states.  The direct election of the executive would be part of that.

Proponents of an elected executive noted that direct elections of governors in Massachusetts and Pennsylvania had led to capable and well respected leaders who had tended to respect the will of the people.  As long as there were other limitations on the executive, that would prevent any tendency toward tyranny.

These same proponents also noted that this was to be a government of checks and balances.  If the executive was truly to be a check on the legislature, then the executive could not be completely dependent on the legislature.

One of the biggest arguments against the direct election of an executive was that it was impractical.  There would be almost no leaders who were known nationwide.  Different states or regions would support local leaders, but none who could truly have the confidence of the entire nation.

One factor that sat in favor of an elected leader was sitting right there in the convention.  Pretty much everyone at the convention assumed that George Washington would become the first executive.  That fact had also probably influenced the decision to have a unitary executive.  It also encouraged the idea of a directly elected executive.  Washington was one of very few men who were known nationally and could be a favorite by voters everywhere.  But what happened after Washington?  He had gained notoriety through his war leadership.  How would future executives come to be known by the people in all regions?

During the first week of debate at the Convention, Wilson brought up the idea of dividing the country into electoral districts.  The people would vote for an elector. Then electors from all over the country would meet to select the executive.  This would keep the process separate from congress, and would prevent the executive from being so dependent on Congress.  At the time, the delegates were not happy with the idea, and voted it down, with only Pennsylvania and Maryland supporting the proposal.  The majority supported having the legislature choose the executive.

The delegates tabled the matter for about six weeks until July 17, the same day the convention agreed to a  unitary executive.  By that time the delegates had also agreed on a proportional house and a senate chosen by the states.

Once again, the debate seemed to come down to not wanting the executive to be chosen by the legislature, by also not thinking the people could coalesce around a single choice.  Congress also decided to remove the restriction that prevented the executive from being reelected.  If Congress chose the executive, then the executive would simply act to please Congress, and then Congress would re-elect him, thus effectively creating what could be a lifetime tenure.  Some delegates were ok with that, and even suggested making it a lifetime tenure, with congress having the ability to remove him for malfeasance.

Madison opposed the idea of having an executive that was completely dependent on congress to remain in office.  It went against his principles of check and balances.  The executive simply became subservient to congress.  Mason also opposed the idea, thinking that an executive who essentially had office for a lifetime would become a king and eventually evolve into a hereditary monarchy.

Some delegates suggested a third option.  Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts and Roger Sherman of Connecticut argued that the executive should be chosen by state legislatures or state governors.   That way, the executive would serve as a check on the abuse of power by Congress over the states.

Debate in late July turned back to the idea of having people select electors who would choose the executive.  Even at that point, there was no good consensus on how to do it.  By late August the Convention established a committee of detail to try to create a coherent system based on the many votes that had already been taken.  The committee’s report on August 24 proposed an election by the congress, but still left the details vague.

In early September, another committee took a stab at the issue, this time essentially punting on the selection entirely.  The committee proposed that each state select electors based on whatever the criteria that state wanted.  If they wanted the people to vote for electors, fine.  If they wanted the governor to appoint electors, that was fine too.  Each state would get electors equal to the state’s representation in Congress.  That meant that smaller states got more votes per capita since each state got two electoral votes for their Senators, but larger states would still have a greater say based on the number of Representatives that they had.

The electors would then meet at the nation’s capital and vote on the executive.  If no candidate received a majority of votes, the Senate would choose from the top five candidates in the electoral college.

This was a win for the small states since delegates believed that in most cases there would be no national consensus for the chief executive.  By letting the Senate make the selection, small states would have a much greater say over the office.

Those who wanted the people to elect the executive opposed this idea.  First, there was no guarantee that people would have a say in choosing electors since that was left up to each state. Secondly, the Senate was made up of people appointed by state government’s, meaning voters would be even more distant from influencing who would serve as chief executive.  Further the Senate was made up of only 26 people.  In a heavily divided race, an executive could win office with less than 10 votes of unelected politicians.  At the very least, the election should be in the House, which was directly elected by the people.  

Of course, the smaller states did not like that idea.  Election by the House meant that larger states would have a much greater say in choosing the executive.  Eventually, the two sides reached a compromise, proposed by Roger Sherman of Connecticut.  When the Electoral College failed to give a majority to a single candidate,  the House would vote for the executive instead of the Senate, but each state delegation in the House would only get one vote.  So smaller states would still have a much greater say in the selection.

Term Length and Term Limits

Because the Chief executive was an entirely new position, there were all sorts of debates on how long a term in office should be.  In the first week of deliberations, the convention agreed that the executive, selected by Congress, would serve a seven year term and would not be eligible for reelection.

The delegates, however, returned to this question several times.  Proponents of a longer term for the executive wanted a stronger executive that was not dependent on the legislature or anyone else to make decisions on behalf of the country.  Even seven years might not be long enough. Gouverneur Morris suggested that if an executive only had a few years in office, he might be more prone to go to war to win glory during his short time in office.  Others made suggestions for a longer term including 15 years.  A few, like Hamilton, supported an executive appointed for life.  This would allow him to look toward the long term needs of the nation without having to worry about disapproval or what he would do after leaving office.

Others, however, wanted to keep the executive on a short leash.  Some proposed short terms of two or three years, allowing the executive to serve multiple terms.  This would ensure that he would remain obedient to the wishes of Congress, or the people, at least if he wanted to keep his job.

In the end, the convention went back to the delegates original agreement.  In late July, they voted that the president would serve a single seven year term and could not be reelected.  This passed by a vote of six to three.

In August, the Committee of Detail, who was the first to decide that the executive should be called the “president” included the Convention’s decision that the president should serve a single seven year term.  Up until this time, the convention simply referred to him as the executive.   Then in August, the Committee on Unfinished Parts, which was supposed to fill in items where there was no consensus, changed the term to four years, and removed the bar against reelection.

It’s not clear who made this change, but several committee members did not like the seven year term.

Similarly, the Committee of Detail came up with the requirements that the President be at least 35 years old, a natural born citizen, and be a resident of the US for at least 21 years.  There seems to have been almost no debate at the convention on any of those qualifications.  The Convention agreed to all those requirements unanimously.  However about a week later, another committee reduced the residency requirement from 21 to 14 years, and no one complained about that either.  No one seemed to think these requirements were particularly controversial, and since it was near the end of the Convention, I suspect most delegates were getting tired of arguing about most matters.

Executive Powers

The Delegates also determined that the president should be the commander-in-chief of the army, navy, and state militia.  While Congress had the exclusive power to declare war, the president would be in command of the military.  During the Revolutionary war, there was no civilian commander in chief. George Washington, as head of the army, was given that role.  Since most delegates took for granted that George Washington would be the nation’s first president, it probably seemed natural to give him command of the military.

Much more debate was given to the idea of whether there should be any approval for a standing army.  After all, standing armies in time of peace had been considered part of the British tyranny that justified independence.  One delegate joked that a standing army was like an erection “an excellent assurance of domestic tranquility, but a dangerous temptation to foreign adventure.”

Elbridge Gerry proposed that any standing army be limited to two or three thousand troops.  Luther Martin and Roger Sherman expressed some agreement.  Although not noted in the minutes, stories afterward claimed that Washington commented in a loud whisper that perhaps the constitutions should also limit an invading army’s forces to the same number.  This obvious joke pointed out the obvious problem with placing an artificial limit on the size of the army.  Other delegates noted that the US should not be hamstrung during a time of build up to war and that a standing army also had the benefit of deterring an attack. In the end, the convention was silent on the matter, neither requiring nor prohibiting an army of any size.

The delegates also gave the president the power to appoint judges, ambassadors and other officers in the government.  Unless Congress gave power to appoint some offices on his own, the president would have to get the advice and consent of the Senate on all appointments.

There were debates over giving the president exclusive power on appointments.  There were also proposals to include the house in approvals.  Concerns over factionalism in the House caused that idea to fade quickly.  Most delegates wanted congress to have some say in appointments.  The Senate was seen as the more deliberative body, similar to the governor’s council in many states.  Those state councils often had power of approval, while the general assemblies did not.  Since that seemed to work at the state level that seemed workable  At one point, Madison suggested that appointment only require support  of one-third of the senate.  The idea was that the President should get his appointments unless there was an overwhelming majority against.  Others argued that the Senate should make appointments and the President would be given the power to veto appointments.  In the end, the presidential appointment with majority Senate approval won the day.

For treaties, the convention opted to keep the House out of the process entirely.  The need for confidentiality and careful deliberation for diplomatic matters meant most delegates thought the house was ill-suited.  The delegates did require a two-thirds vote in the Senate to approve all treaties.  The Articles of Confederation had required a super-majority for treaties.  Also, the recent fights over the treaty that John Jay had negotiated with Spain convinced many southern states that they needed to make sure there was a larger consensus, and that they did not get out-voted by the more numerous northern states.

Other than foreign policy matters, the convention defined very little for the president,other than to take care that the laws be faithfully executed and the commissioning of government officers.  It also stated that the president should provide information to Congress on the state of the union and make recommendations to them.

Finally, congress retained the power over the president by giving the House the power of impeachment and the Senate the power of removal by a two-thirds vote.  Originally, the Convention said the president could be removed for maladministration or neglect of duty.  Some members argued that there should be stronger reasons for removal, eventually settling on the language of high crimes and misdemeanors.

Next week, we turn to the creation of the courts, and other matters that the convention decided before finally wrapping up its business.

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Next Episode 350 Creating a Judiciary, 1787 (coming soon)

Previous Episode 348 Creating Congress, 1787

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Further Reading

Websites

Secret Proceedings and Debates of the Convention Assembled at Philadelphia, in the Year 1787, Richmond; Wilbur Curtiss, 1839. 

Brant, Irving James Madison: Father of the Constitution, 1787-1800. Bobbs-Merrill Co. 1950 (borrow only). 

Donovan, Frank R. Mr. Madison’s Constitution: The Story Behind the Constitutional Convention, New York: Dodd, Mead & Co. 1965 (borrow only) 

Farrand, Max The Framing of the Constitution of the United States, Yale Univ. Press, 1913. 

Farrand, Max (ed) The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787Vol. 1Vol. 2, and Vol 3, Yale Univ. Press, 1911.  

Ford, Worthington, Chauncey The Federal Constitution in Virginia, 1787-1788. Cambridge: University Press, 1903. 

Jameson, J. Franklin Studies in the History of the Federal Convention of 1787, Washington: Government Printing Office, 1903. 

Madison, James Notes of Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787, Ohio Univ. Press, 1966. 

McMaster, John Bach (ed) Pennsylvania and the Federal Constitution: 1787-1788, Historical Society of Pennsylvania, 1888. 

Meigs, William M. The Growth of the Constitution in the Federal Convention of 1787, Philadelphia: J.B. Lippincott Co. 1900. 

Richardson, Hamilton P. The Journal of the Federal Convention of 1787 Analyzed, San Francisco: Murdock Press, 1899. 

Scott, James B. James Madison's notes of debates in the Federal convention of 1787, New York: Oxford Univ. Press, 1918. 

Books Worth Buying
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Amar, Akhil Reed America’s Constitution: A Biography, Random House 2005. 

Beeman, Richard R. Plain, Honest Men: The Making of the American Constitution, Random House, 2009. 

Bowen, Catherine Drinker Miracle at Philadelphia: The Story of the Constitutional Convention, Little, Brown & Co. 1966 (borrow at archive.org).

Collier, Christopher Decision in Philadelphia: The Constitutional Convention of 1787, Random House, 1986 (borrow at archive.org).

Morris, Richard B. Witnesses at the Creation: Hamilton, Madison, Jay and the Constitution, Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1985. 

Rossiter, Clinton 1787: The Grand Convention, Macmillan Co. 1966 (borrow on archive.org).

Smith, Page The Constitution: A Documentary and Narrative History, Morrow Quill, 1978. 

Stewart, David O. The Summer of 1787: The Men Who Invented the Constitution, Simon & Schuster, 2007. 

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Sunday, April 6, 2025

ARP348 Creating Congress, 1787


Last week we covered the most controversial issue of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia in 1787.  That was whether states should be represented in Congress by population or with equal representation for each state.  The convention ended up splitting the difference, giving population representation in the House and equal representation in the Senate.

One or Two Houses

To reach that final agreement, however, the delegates had to agree to having two houses in the first place.  While this issue was not nearly as heated as the controversial as the proportionality question, it did go through some back and forth.

The initial Virginia Plan, written by James Madison, had recommended two houses, what we call a bicameral legislature.  Madison considered this to be an important check on a potentially runaway majority.  Although the Confederation had operated with a single house, Madison saw that as a problem.  Eleven of the thirteen states had bicameral legislatures.  Only Pennsylvania and Georgia had a single house.  Of course, Britain, the model for so many things, had two houses: a House of Commons and a House of Lords.

For most supporters of two houses, the idea of an upper house kept the more intemperate voices of the people in the lower house from going too far.  Short term popular majorities, often led by a charismatic figure, might gain a majority at times.  There was a need to keep them in check.

Supporters of a single house essentially agreed with the purpose of the upper house, but said that it was a bug rather than a feature.  Having one house of the legislature made up of elites who could thwart the will of the majority went against everything that a democratic republic meant.  Rule by the people meant that the people should be able to implement the laws that they wanted without a tiny minority of rich old guys standing in their way.

Because the delegates voted general support for the Virginia plan to become the basis of their consideration and because the Virginia plan called for two houses, that became the basis for most discussions.  The equal states delegates were also the delegates who had originally wanted a single body legislature.  After the majority of the convention voted for proportional representation in both houses, the equal state folks also got behind the idea of a two house legislature so that at least one of them would offer equal representation.  So, by a month or so into the convention, pretty much everyone was on board with a proposal that included two houses. There remained debates over how those two houses would be populated but the decision to have to houses had pretty much reached a consensus by that point.

Terms of Office

A big issue was how long a term of office should be. Many delegates wanted a term of one year.  In fact, Massachusetts had instructed its delegates to demand a single year term and also to allow states to recall members during the year if they wanted.  For many, these regular elections - which were the norm in most state legislatures at the time, were a way of ensuring that representatives always reflected the will of the people.  Too much time between elections meant more time to get swayed by others in Congress, rather than listening to constituents.

Under the Articles of Confederation, appointments to the Continental Congress were annual, and subject to recall.  Of course, there was no requirement that they be elected. In most cases, the governor or state legislature appointed delegates to the Confederation Congress.

The Virginia plan as introduced literally left this blank.  The plan read “the members of the first branch of the National Legislature ought to be elected by the people of the several States every __  for the term of __.”

Others thought that one year terms were a mistake. Daniel of St. Thomas Jenifer of Maryland proposed three year terms, arguing that annual elections made people indifferent to them and that it made it more difficult to find candidates willing to run with such frequency.  

Madison and Hamilton also supported three year terms.  They, and others, argued that congressmen needed time to understand how the government worked, and that a constant churn would prevent that.  There was also the time it took to travel to the nation’s capital.  Having to return home all the time for elections would prove difficult. In the end, the Convention compromised on two year terms for the House.

In the Senate, there was a whole range of proposed term lengths, proposals included, three, four, five, seven, nine years, and even lifetime appointments.  These were supposed to be wise statesmen who were somewhat detached from the people and who could serve as a check on the House when it went too far.  Much of the debate compared Senate terms to those in the British Parliament, which were seven years.  Madison wanted nine year terms so that they would line up with the three year terms that he wanted in the House. Having terms that didn’t line up meant that elections could not be held together in the same year.  When the House terms were reduced from three years to two, Madison also accepted the idea that Senate terms should be six years, so that a Senator would still stand for election in one out of three elections.

Senators would be selected by state governments rather than elected directly.  The Virginia Plan had recommended that Senators be chosen by members of the house.  Pretty early on though, the overwhelming majority of delegates wanted state governments to choose their Senators.  The Senate would serve as a protection of state sovereignty within the federal government. There wasn’t really any support for direct election of Senators.  

Term limits

The Convention debated whether either house should have term limits or be subject to recall.  Under the Articles of Confederation, appointed delegates could be recalled at any time during their one year terms.  Further, no one under the Articles of Confederation could serve more than three terms in a row in Congress.

Debate over the power to recall members of the House or Senate never got much traction.  Although a vocal minority liked the idea, the notion of recalling representatives mid-session and having to hold new elections to replace them, was considered unworkable.  Beyond that many delegates wanted representatives to have a greater ability to act independent of popular opinion back home.  Voters at home were not privy to all the debates and reasons for decisions that representatives would have. As a result, representatives had to be free to use their own best judgment on matters.

There was probably a better case for recalling Senators.  After all, they had six year terms if they proved unpopular, and since the state legislature appointed them, it would be easy to appoint a replacement.  But the nationalists wanted the Senate to be a body of wise and deliberative men who were aloof from factional majorities that might form in the House.  These wiser independent leaders should not be looking at popular disapproval for their actions.  That was why some delegates wanted to give them lifetime tenure.  In the end, they would have to face reappointment every six years, but could not be recalled short of that.

For similar reasons, the Convention did not allow states to saddle representatives with instructions.  Many state governments had gotten used to the idea of instructing their delegates on how to vote.  Supporters of the new federal system believed that representatives should be able to use their own judgment, and not be hamstrung by rules imposed by people back home who were not part of the national debates.  Most of the people serving in this convention had served as delegates under the articles of Confederation and had experienced frustration of such instructions.

The delegates also rejected the idea of term limits. The Virginia plan had initially anticipated some term limits on members of congress.  Madison also proposed at one point that members of congress be ineligible for any other federal office for at least one year after leaving office.  He saw this as a way to prevent members from creating government jobs for themselves.

In the end though, the delegates rejected all of this.  The states voted unanimously against term limits. From their perspective, the term limit rules in the Articles of Confederation had proven to be a disaster.  Those limits essentially sidelined some of the best delegates from further service, while putting up the B team to continue to represent their state.  Members could continue to run for office as long as the people continued to reelect them.

Citizenship, Residency, and Age

The Convention also considered other restrictions on members of Congress, beyond being able to win an election.  A big one was whether immigrants could serve in Congress.  This raised some debate.  Hamilton, in particular, strongly opposed a proposal to restrict members of Congress to native born Americans.  Some have argued that he did this out of self-interest, since he had been born in the West Indies.  Hamilton, however, probably would have been eligible since he was a citizen when the US was created.  Hamilton was more concerned that highly qualified people from Europe might immigrate and would be able to add greatly to the nation through government service.  They should not be prevented from running.  That should be left up to the voters.

Supporters of requiring elected officials be native born or longtime citizens argued that outsiders could come into the government and change it based on their attachments to their home countries and also with foreign ideas that were incompatible with the American form of government.  There were considerable debates on how long to require an immigrant to be a citizen before they could run for office.

In the end, the delegates agreed that all members of the House and Senate should be citizens.  They initially placed a restriction that members must be a citizen for at least three years before holding office.  In the final version they changed this to seven years.  For the Senate, they settled on nine years.

There was also a question of residency.  Could an outsider, say a member of another state or district move into an area immediately run for office? Some delegates thought there should be some period of years before someone could run for office, so that they truly represented those who elected them.  In the end, the Convention required that an elected official reside in the state that they want to represent. There was no waiting requirement.  If the official became an inhabitant of the state just before the election, that was good enough.

Delegates also considered age restrictions.  There were some, like Wilson who argued for no restrictions on age.  If a candidate gained the confidence of the voters, even at a very young age, youth should not bar him from serving.  Initially, the delegates set the age at 21.  That was the traditional age of adulthood, when a man could make contracts and do other things under the law.  

George Mason, however, argued it should be set higher limits.  Mason argued a man should not move from being considered a child one day to be able to represent people in government the next.  Mason, who was aged 62 at the time, also noted that he looked back on his foolish mistakes of youth in his early twenties, and believed that everyone would become wiser with age. He moved that the minimum age be set at 25.  In the end a majority of states agreed seven states to three, to set the minimum age for the House at 25.

Delegates also argued over a higher age for Senators.  The Senate was to be a place for more mature, stable, and experienced men.  Despite the fact that several delegates at the convention that was making these rules were still in their twenties, the delegates voted to set a minimum age of 30 for Senators.

Leadership

There seems to have been little debate over how each house would choose its leaders.  Neither the Virginia Plan, nor the New Jersey Plan even addressed the issue.  There was a general consensus that the House of Representatives would choose its own leader, called a Speaker.  This was based on the British Speaker of the House of Commons.  The House also received the power to create other officers as it deemed necessary.  The details of all this was left up to the House itself.

There was not much thought at all given to the leader of the Senate.  It was typical that in most state upper houses or in the House of Lords in Britain, that there was no leader.  These bodies were small enough and collegial enough that they didn’t necessarily need a leader.

It wasn’t until near the end of the Convention when the Committee on Unfinished Parts proposed that the Vice President preside over the Senate.  The main reason for doing this was to give the Vice President something to do.  There were some objections.  Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts argued that this would be akin to placing the President in charge of the legislature and that it would destroy the independence of the legislature.  Similarly, George Mason of Virginia argued that it was mixing the legislative and executive branches, which should be kept separate.

Others, however, pointed out that if the Senate chose one of its own to lead, that one state would be denied one of its two votes in the Senate, except in cases of a tie.  The convention voted to let the Vice President sit as the ex officio President of the Senate, although the final wording just said he would sit as the President of the Senate.

Rules and Punishment

The Convention also established that each house would have the power to set rules for itself and to punish its own members.  They did not want outsiders to be able to intervene in the operations of the House and Senate.  Both the House and Senate were given the power to expel their own members, again without any outside involvement.  Madison recommended requiring a two-thirds vote for expulsion in order to prevent extremely factionalized majorities from removing minority members they did not like.  The majority agreed with Madison.

I think it is important to note however, that other branches of government had no power to remove members of Congress.  Contrast this with the fact that Congress gave itself the power to remove any member of the executive or judicial branches through impeachment.  Congress was meant to be the branch of government with the most control over all three branches of goverment.

Powers of Congress

While the Convention allowed states to set elections, it also gave Congress the power to overrule state election dates and mandate its own date for federal elections.  It gave each house the authority to judge the results of the elections of its members, again, without any interference from the other branches.

Further, members, with some exceptions, would not be subject to arrest while Congress was in session, or while traveling to or from sessions of Congress.  Members also could not be questioned anywhere else for speech and debate made in Congress.  Delegates were well aware that by creating other branches of government, those branches might try to interfere with Congress, or attack individual members.  Congress tried to put limits on that possibility.

Another rule was that all bills for raising revenue had to originate in the House, not the Senate.  You may ask, what does it matter since both houses would have to approve it anyway?  Part of the argument was that the House was closest to the people and representative of the people.  That whole taxation without representation thing meant that the house that represented the people should control proposals to raise taxes.  

When the Convention was debating the interests of large vs. small states, some of the large states argued that it was unfair that smaller states, contributing far less in taxes, should have equal power in originating money bills.  In response, this rule about the house originating all bills raising revenue, was given to the large state faction.  Of course, though, it was meaningless since the Senate could amend any such bill to say whatever it wanted, then send it back to the House.

Both houses would have to pass all laws, although the power to make treaties and appoint members of the other branches was limited to the Senate.  We'll get into that more next week when we discuss the executive branch.

The Convention also listed the specific powers which the Congress, would have.  Number one was borrowing money, which had been much of the purpose of the Continental Congress.  The second thing listed was regulating commerce, both at home and abroad.  Recall that this was the primary goal at the Annapolis convention and played such a large role in creating the demand for this convention.  It also gave Congress the power to establish uniform rules of naturalization, so that states did not create their own.  

There were a great many financial powers for congress.  Establishing bankruptcy rules, coining money, punishment of counterfeiting were all given to Congress, probably with an eye toward preventing financial abuses like Rhode Island had committed in recent years.  It explicitly took away the power of states to make their own money or create a new legal tender.

Congress had the power to declare war, raise armies and navies, deal with crimes on the high seas.  It shared with states the power to arm and regulate militia.  It denied states the power to enter into foreign treaties, grant letters of marque, etc.  They could not maintain standing armies or ships of war.  The new Federal government would have exclusive power related to war and foreign policy.   

Finally, the Convention granted Congress exclusive power of a district which would become the seat of government.  After their experience in Philadelphia where local officials had refused to protect Congress from angry Continental soldiers, the delegates wanted to be sure that Congress could regulate its own local government.  The Constitution did not specify where this district would be, but did call on states to cede the land to make it into an independent jurisdiction controlled by Congress.

Next week, we will turn our attention to what the Convention thought an executive branch should look like.

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Further Reading

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Secret Proceedings and Debates of the Convention Assembled at Philadelphia, in the Year 1787, Richmond; Wilbur Curtiss, 1839. 

Brant, Irving James Madison: Father of the Constitution, 1787-1800. Bobbs-Merrill Co. 1950 (borrow only). 

Donovan, Frank R. Mr. Madison’s Constitution: The Story Behind the Constitutional Convention, New York: Dodd, Mead & Co. 1965 (borrow only) 

Farrand, Max The Framing of the Constitution of the United States, Yale Univ. Press, 1913. 

Farrand, Max (ed) The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787Vol. 1Vol. 2, and Vol 3, Yale Univ. Press, 1911.  

Ford, Worthington, Chauncey The Federal Constitution in Virginia, 1787-1788. Cambridge: University Press, 1903. 

Jameson, J. Franklin Studies in the History of the Federal Convention of 1787, Washington: Government Printing Office, 1903. 

Madison, James Notes of Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787, Ohio Univ. Press, 1966. 

McMaster, John Bach (ed) Pennsylvania and the Federal Constitution: 1787-1788, Historical Society of Pennsylvania, 1888. 

Meigs, William M. The Growth of the Constitution in the Federal Convention of 1787, Philadelphia: J.B. Lippincott Co. 1900. 

Richardson, Hamilton P. The Journal of the Federal Convention of 1787 Analyzed, San Francisco: Murdock Press, 1899. 

Scott, James B. James Madison's notes of debates in the Federal convention of 1787, New York: Oxford Univ. Press, 1918. 

Books Worth Buying
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Amar, Akhil Reed America’s Constitution: A Biography, Random House 2005. 

Beeman, Richard R. Plain, Honest Men: The Making of the American Constitution, Random House, 2009. 

Bowen, Catherine Drinker Miracle at Philadelphia: The Story of the Constitutional Convention, Little, Brown & Co. 1966 (borrow at archive.org).

Collier, Christopher Decision in Philadelphia: The Constitutional Convention of 1787, Random House, 1986 (borrow at archive.org).

Morris, Richard B. Witnesses at the Creation: Hamilton, Madison, Jay and the Constitution, Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1985. 

Rossiter, Clinton 1787: The Grand Convention, Macmillan Co. 1966 (borrow on archive.org).

Smith, Page The Constitution: A Documentary and Narrative History, Morrow Quill, 1978. 

Stewart, David O. The Summer of 1787: The Men Who Invented the Constitution, Simon & Schuster, 2007. 

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Sunday, March 30, 2025

AR-SP31 The Ride, with Kostya Kennedy

 

In March, 2025, author Kostya Kennedy joined our American Revolution Roundtable to discuss his new book: The Ride: Paul Revere and the Night That Saved Americawhich has just been released.

This is a brief summary of our one hour discussion.

This special edition of the American Revolution podcast features a discussion with author Kia Kennedy about his new book, "The Ride, Paul Revere, and The Night That Saved America". The discussion centers around the events leading up to the Battles of Lexington and Concord and Paul Revere's crucial role.

Kennedy was drawn to Revere both personally, recalling his childhood fascination with Longfellow's poem, and intellectually, admiring Revere's ability to rise to the occasion during a pivotal moment in history. Unlike many other Founding Fathers who were wealthy and educated elites, Revere was a tradesman, a silversmith, which makes his close relationships with figures like John Hancock, Samuel Adams, and Dr. Joseph Warren remarkable.

Freemasonry played a significant role in Revere's life, initially as a networking opportunity for his business and later as a forum for exchanging ideas. Although there were different lodges with varying social demographics, their charters and agendas were not explicitly political, but rather social groupings.

The enduring fame of Paul Revere is largely attributed to Longfellow's poem, written 85 years later as a call to action against slavery. While the poem took some poetic liberties, it captured the spirit of Revere's actions and transformed him into a powerful symbol and rallying cry that continues to be used today. Even without the poem, Revere was considered the principal rider of the revolution prior to his famous ride.

The discussion addresses the historical treatment of William Dawes, the other rider that night. While Dawes is sometimes presented as having been unjustly overshadowed by Revere, the sources suggest that Revere was the primary figure who successfully alerted the countryside. Revere himself mentioned Dawes in his account. The idea that Revere was drunk or ineffective is considered "poppycock".

The events leading up to the ride, including the Powder Alarm, highlighted the need for a rapid response system among the Patriots. It is suspected that Revere played a key role in organizing a "phone tree" system to quickly mobilize the militia. Revere was a trusted messenger for the Patriots, delivering news about the Powder Alarm to Philadelphia. The use of lanterns in the Old North Church was another method, devised by Revere, to signal the British movements.

On the night of April 18th, 1775, Joseph Warren dispatched both Revere and Dawes to warn Hancock and Adams in Lexington about the movement of British troops from Boston. Revere crossed Boston Harbor by boat, evading British naval ships, while Dawes left Boston via land before the curfew. Revere arrived in Lexington before Dawes despite leaving later and facing more obstacles.

On their way to Concord, Revere and Dawes were joined by Samuel Prescott. The three were intercepted by British soldiers, leading to Revere's capture. Prescott was the only one of the three to reach Concord and alert the town. Revere, during his capture, informed the British soldiers about the impending Patriot response. The British captors eventually released Revere and the other captured Patriots as they realized their vulnerable position.

The discussion touches on the motivations of British General Thomas Gage, who, despite orders from London, was hesitant to arrest Patriot leaders like Hancock and Adams, possibly fearing it would ignite a war before reinforcements arrived. Gage likely viewed the expedition to Lexington and Concord as another raid to secure arms, similar to events at Portsmouth and the Powder Alarm. However, the Patriots' organized response, as seen in Leslie's Retreat and the retrieval of arms from Portsmouth by Revere, demonstrated their preparedness.

The participants also discuss the Minutemen, a select subgroup of the militia who were prepared to mobilize at a moment's notice.

Financially, Revere was paid for his services as a rider and had earned a good income as a silversmith earlier in his life. John Hancock was a significant financier of the Patriot movement.

The discussion briefly considers an alternative historical scenario where the British successfully captured Hancock and Adams and seized the stores at Concord. The consensus is that this would have been a devastating blow to the Patriot cause, potentially delaying American independence significantly. However, it is also argued that the Patriot spirit of resistance would likely have persisted.

The location where Hancock and Adams went after the battles was Woburn. Revere returned to Lexington to retrieve Hancock's forgotten trunk, which contained important Patriot papers, and was present when the first shots were fired.

There is no known direct meeting between George Washington and Paul Revere, although Revere was involved in the Massachusetts militia and may have had indirect contact.

The discussion briefly addresses Revere's involvement in dentistry and how it later helped identify Dr. Warren's body.

When asked about comparisons to David Hackett Fischer's book on the subject, Kennedy expressed respect for the work but noted differences in emphasis and interpretation, particularly regarding General Gage.

Kennedy's book, The Ride, was released on March 25th. 

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Sunday, March 23, 2025

ARP347 Constitutional Convention’s Biggest Fight


Last week, we covered how the Constitutional Convention spent about three days setting up the procedures that they would follow and selecting officers to run the Convention.  

On Wednesday, May 30,1787, the Committee of the Whole finally got down to business.  Chairman Nathaniel Gorham brought the committee to order.  Their first point of discussion was the Virginia Plan, introduced by Edmund Randolph, but largely written by James Madison.

Before we dive into that, I want to say that, typically with this podcast, I’ve tried to stick to events in chronological order.  I’m going to depart from this slightly for the next few weeks.  I want to focus on several of the Constitutional debates that occurred during the convention. But the delegates did not just deal with one issue and then move on to the next.  Instead, they debated an issue for a while, they went on to another, then came back to the first one again.  Since I want to focus on this important event over a few episodes, I’m going to take a look at a particular issue or set of issues in each episode, then cover the debate over the course of the entire convention until the delegates reached a final outcome.

Representation in Congress

The biggest issue to be tackled by the convention was how the states would be represented in Congress.  In the Continental Congress, as in the convention itself, each state received one vote.  It did not matter that more than ten times as many people lived in Virginia as did in Delaware, both states got the same one vote.  From the perspective of the Confederation Congress, this made sense.  The Congress was simply a coordinating body between the states on how to deal with Britain and run the war.  It was not involved in making the bulk of the laws that impacted people.  It served essentially as a regional international body that coordinated affairs on behalf of the sovereign states which needed to work together.

Supporters of proportional representation saw this new congress as something that would have more regulatory power.  These representatives in this new congress would be elected directly by the people and would legislate on their behalf.  It made no sense that some people would have much greater say in congress, simply because they lived in a state that had a smaller population.  The seven smallest states made up only about a quarter of the population, but would have a majority say in Congress. That was simply anti-democratic.

Supporters of equal votes for states were more concerned about competing state interests.  Many small states had suffered from having to give in to their larger and more powerful neighbors.  Larger states had frequently set up systems to their own advantage.  Large states would not even have to consider the interests of smaller states.  Virginia, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Massachusetts contained a majority of the entire population. If they could agree on things, they would never need to do anything that served the interests of the other states.

Before the convention had even begun the Pennsylvania delegates had suggested that proportional representation be a given in the new government.  Anything else would make this new government a collection of states rather than a single united country.  When Delaware’s delegation showed up with instructions that they could not even negotiate on the matter of equal representation of states, it showed that there were many on each side that were fundamentally unwilling to negotiate on this point.

On the very first day of debate, George Reed told the delegates that the Delaware delegation was prepared to walk out and leave the convention if the delegates voted for proportional representation.  It appears that the majority was prepared to support it, no one wanted Delaware to leave on the first day.  After some consideration, they tabled the debate on the issue and moved on to other things.

The issue lay dormant for a couple of weeks until on June 9, William Paterson of New Jersey called for the debate to be renewed.  New Jersey was a leading supporter of equal votes for states.  It was relatively small and was threatened by its larger Pennsylvania and New York neighbors.  The same day that the debate renewed, another leading advocate of the equal votes system arrived at Congress, Luther Martin of Maryland.

The New Jersey delegates argued for a continuation of equal state representation.  In addition to the argument that small states would be overwhelmed in a proportional system, they also argued that the convention did not have the authority to make such fundamental changes to the Confederation Congress.  They were there to suggest a few additional powers, not fundamentally rewrite the power structure.  In response to arguments that that proportional representation was critical to making the government accountable to the people, another New Jersey Delegate, David Brearly offered, a suggestion.  Rather sarcastically, he noted that if states no longer mattered, perhaps they should just redraw all the state lines so that all the states had an equal population.  He knew full well that the larger states were not going to shrink in size so that other states neighbors could grow.

By the end of the day, everyone realized that the majority still supported proportional representation.  The equal states faction once again requested the matter be tabled.

New Jersey Plan

The following week, on June 15, Paterson proposed an entirely new plan in place of the Virginia Plan.  He introduced what came to be known as the New Jersey Plan.  This plan looked much more like what many delegates had envisioned when discussing a federal convention designed to amend the Articles of Confederation, not replace it with a completely new government.

Under the New Jersey Plan, voting in Congress would work the same as it always had under the Articles of Confederation.  There would be a single house and each state would receive one vote.  

Supporters of this plan noted that this convention was not called to create a national government.  It was designed to make some amendments to the Articles of Confederation to make it more workable.  This Confederation consisted of a group of sovereign states that worked together for their common interests.  Creating a Congress where states were represented by population would mean that smaller sovereign states would essentially lose their sovereign status.  They would have no way to prevent larger states from imposing their will on the other states.  Equal voting by states was critical to the sovereignty of smaller states.

Further, there was no need for two houses of Congress.  Each state had a vote in Congress.  Gumming up this process with some elitist second house that could thwart the will of the representative house went against the idea of self-government.  This notion of an upper-house was similar to the House of Lords in Britain.  There was a small group of elites who could thwart the more popular house based on no real legitimate basis, only their elite status.  A single house in Congress was just fine.

So, essentially leaving the basic structure of the Continental Congress as is, the New Jersey plan went on to address the real changes that its supporters thought were necessary to amend the Articles of Confederation.

One of the big problems in the Confederation Congress was the inability to raise money to pay off war debts and other debts.  This plan authorized congress to tax imports, impose a stamp tax, and through postage fees.  Tax evaders would be tried in state courts, but with appeals going to a new federal judiciary.

Congress could also raise additional funds by demanding funds based on a state’s population, including 3/5 of all slaves.  The Confederation Congress already had this power, but the plan advocates suggested giving Congress greater powers of enforcement.

The New Jersey Plan also recommended an executive branch, perhaps a committee, that would be in control of the military and other necessary government functions.  The executive could be removed by a majority of state governors.

The plan also recommended the creation of a federal judiciary, appointed by the Executive and which would hear cases involving impeachments of Federal officers, as well as certain appeals from state courts.

The New Jersey Plan declared that laws by Congress would be the supreme law of the land, thus overruling any conflicting state laws.  State judges would be required to uphold federal laws.  It also gave Congress the power to admit new states into the union, establish a uniform rule of naturalization, and ensure that citizens of each state received equal treatment when they were before courts in other states.  That's a quick summary of the New Jersey Plan.

Under this plan, the Congress would not change much at all from the way it operated under the Articles of Confederation.  Rather, it simply added executive and judicial branches to the mix.  There were a few tweaks like they didn’t need a unanimous vote to requisition taxes from the states, but no major structural changes.

This New Jersey Plan was meant to be a more comprehensive plan, addressing more than simply the question over proportional representation, which is this week's topic.  This was meant to serve as a basis for all the changes the Convention should consider.  For the prior three weeks, all debate had centered around the Virginia Plan, which had recommended an entirely new form of national government.  The New Jersey Plan was designed to bring the overall debate back to the idea of making some reasonable amendments to the Articles of Confederation without completely recreating government from scratch.

These two competing visions would dominate the remainder of the Convention, which still had months of debate to come.  For now though, I just want to focus on how the New Jersey Plan shaped debate over the issue of representation in Congress.

Wealth Representation

Before we return to the continuing debate over proportional vs. equal representation, I should mention that there was another proposal for a different kind of representation.  Several delegates suggested that representation should be based on wealth. This was raise particularly by the South Carolina Delegation, which thought that its slave population, which was a measure of wealth, and which would be included in any system of taxation by the federal government, should also give them a greater number of votes in the Congress.  

The debate over wealth representation was not limited to the slavery question.  Gouverneur Morris, who was an outspoken opponent of slavery at the convention, also supported the idea of wealth representation.  States which contributed more to the federal government in the form of taxes should also have a greater say in the policies of that government.

The idea of representation being tied to the level of taxes given to the government, and that taxes would be tied to the wealth of each state meant that wealthier states that had more taxes would also get more votes.  So this idea had some support in both wealthier free states and in the southern states.  

Later in the convention, this idea was dropped. Southern states were happy to let it drop in favor of representation based on population, as long as 3/5ths of their slaves were counted in the population, in order to give the more power.  The consensus was that this was going to be a republic, which means people should be represented equally.  Wealthier people should not be given additional voting power because of their wealth.

Debate Continues

As a result, the main debate centered around representation based on population vs. equal state representation.  New Jersey plan author Paterson pointed out that a proportional plan where states like Delaware and Georgia had two delegates, would require a house of more than 180 delegates to be proportional.  A second house half that size would increase the size of Congress to an unworkable 270 people.  That seemed absurdly large and would be a great expense to operate.  A single house legislature did not need a second house as a check.  The executive council and the states served as a check on the federal legislature.  That was all that was needed.

All of that day, Friday, and the next Saturday, the delegates argued over the two plans.  James Wilson of Pennsylvania was one of the strongest advocates for proportional representation.  From his point of view, the government was supposed to be from the people.  It was the people who should be represented, not the states.  If each state had equal representation, the people of some states would simply be more powerful than others.  That was completely unacceptable.  

Ironically, at the time, Wilson’s home state of Pennsylvania did not have proportional representation.  Each county, plus the city of Philadelphia, had six representatives.  That was the same, regardless of population.  Some counties had over 30,000 and some had less than 5000, yet each county had the same representation in Pennsylvania's state legislature.

The following day was a Sunday, so both sides had a chance to regroup and consider other options.  On Monday, Alexander Hamilton took the floor for the entire day, criticizing both the Virginia Plan and the New Jersey Plan.  This was the longest speech given at the convention. Hamilton was, by far, the most extreme nationalist at the convention.  He proposed a government that had proportional representation.  But he wanted an elected chief executive who would sit for life and who would appoint all of the state governors.  The president would also have the power to veto all state and local laws.

This was much closer to the colonial model where a king, sitting for life, would appoint all colonial governors.  In fact, Hamilton said that he considered the British model of government, as it was practiced in Britain, “the best in the world.” Many of Hamilton’s extreme views were shared by no one else at the convention.  He could not even get anyone to second his motion to introduce his plan.  Many began calling him a monarchist.  His speech did, however, have the effect of making the Virginia Plan’s radical changes seem more moderate in comparison.

The following day, Madison attacked the New Jersey Plan.  He argued that it did not fix the major defects that existed in the Articles of Confederation.  The states would continue to hold too much power, leaving the federal government impotent.  Foreign powers would continue to try to drive a wedge by negotiating directly with the states.

At the end of the day, a vote was called on the issue.  The delegates voted in favor of proportional representation. By a vote of 7-3-1.  New York’s delegation, despite being a fairly large state, voted in the minority, with the other two delegates outvoting Hamilton. New Jersey, and Delaware also voted in the minority.  Maryland had only two delegates present, cancelling out each other’s vote.

For the rest of the week, the convention debated a number of other issues related to the Virginia Plan, but the equal states faction were not happy.  The only reason they did not walk out of the convention was a hope that they could revisit the issue again.  Delegates realized that even if a majority supported proportional representation, if that meant that four or five states might refuse to join the union under those terms, that would be devastating.

Connecticut Compromise

There was, of course, an obvious compromise.   As early as June 11, even before the introduction of the New Jersey Plan, Connecticut delegate Roger Sherman raised the idea of having the states represented equally in the Senate while having proportional representation in the House.  Neither side was happy with the idea at the time.  The equal states faction still only wanted a single body legislature.  The proportional votes faction saw they had majority support and did not want to give the small states more power in either legislative body.

For the rest of June, the convention did not really reconsider the vote to have proportional representation in both houses.  The equal states faction accepted the reality that they best they could get was equal representation in a single house. That was the so-called Connecticut Compromise, since it had been first introduced by Roger Sherman of Connecticut.

The minority equal states faction still had the power to walk and prevent the convention from having any chance at all for ratification.  Just before the Fourth of July break, Franklin suggested the creation of a “grand committee” to come up with an acceptable compromise.  The committee could consist of one delegate from each state.  Most of the hard core advocates of proportional representation, men like Hamilton, Wilson, and Madison were not placed on the committee.

On July 5, the committee’s chairman, Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, reported the committee’s recommendation that the Senate have equal representation for each state and that the House have proportional representation based on population.  

The committee’s recommendations did not settle the matter.  The proportionalists, who knew the majority supported their views, continued to fight.  Madison, Wilson, and Gouverneur Morris continued to argue for proportional representation in both houses over the next ten days.  Their argument was essentially that the small states benefited the most from a union of states and would not walk away from this.  If they did, the large states would probably eventually just conquer the smaller states in open warfare and eventually absorb them.  No one wanted that.

Charles Pinckney proposed a compromise that would put the states into different classes in the Senate.  Larger states would have more representatives in the Senate, but the smaller states would still get disproportionately larger representation than their population justified.  Wilson and Madison got on board with the plan.  They hoped it would be enough for the small states.  The small states, however, suspected they could win on equal representation in the Senate, voted down the compromise.

The following day, July 16, the delegates held a vote on the Grand Committee recommendations.  They approved it 5-4.  Connecticut and North Carolina accepted the compromise, along with smaller states New Jersey, Delaware and Maryland.  New York probably would have voted yes as well, but its delegates had already left the convention, and so New York did not vote at all.  Massachusetts was tied and did not vote.

While the hard core supporters of proportional representation, men like Madison and Wilson, were not happy with this outcome, they accepted the result and did not try to revisit the issue for the rest of the convention.

Next week, we’ll look at the other issues regarding the creation of a new federal Congress.

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Previous Episode 346 The Constitutional Convention Begins

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Further Reading

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Secret Proceedings and Debates of the Convention Assembled at Philadelphia, in the Year 1787, Richmond; Wilbur Curtiss, 1839. 

Brant, Irving James Madison: Father of the Constitution, 1787-1800. Bobbs-Merrill Co. 1950 (borrow only). 

Donovan, Frank R. Mr. Madison’s Constitution: The Story Behind the Constitutional Convention, New York: Dodd, Mead & Co. 1965 (borrow only) 

Farrand, Max The Framing of the Constitution of the United States, Yale Univ. Press, 1913. 

Farrand, Max (ed) The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787Vol. 1Vol. 2, and Vol 3, Yale Univ. Press, 1911.  

Ford, Worthington, Chauncey The Federal Constitution in Virginia, 1787-1788. Cambridge: University Press, 1903. 

Jameson, J. Franklin Studies in the History of the Federal Convention of 1787, Washington: Government Printing Office, 1903. 

Madison, James Notes of Debates in the Federal Convention of 1787, Ohio Univ. Press, 1966. 

McMaster, John Bach (ed) Pennsylvania and the Federal Constitution: 1787-1788, Historical Society of Pennsylvania, 1888. 

Meigs, William M. The Growth of the Constitution in the Federal Convention of 1787, Philadelphia: J.B. Lippincott Co. 1900. 

Richardson, Hamilton P. The Journal of the Federal Convention of 1787 Analyzed, San Francisco: Murdock Press, 1899. 

Scott, James B. James Madison's notes of debates in the Federal convention of 1787, New York: Oxford Univ. Press, 1918. 

Books Worth Buying
(links to Amazon.com unless otherwise noted)*

Amar, Akhil Reed America’s Constitution: A Biography, Random House 2005. 

Beeman, Richard R. Plain, Honest Men: The Making of the American Constitution, Random House, 2009. 

Bowen, Catherine Drinker Miracle at Philadelphia: The Story of the Constitutional Convention, Little, Brown & Co. 1966 (borrow at archive.org).

Collier, Christopher Decision in Philadelphia: The Constitutional Convention of 1787, Random House, 1986 (borrow at archive.org).

Morris, Richard B. Witnesses at the Creation: Hamilton, Madison, Jay and the Constitution, Holt, Rinehart & Winston, 1985. 

Rossiter, Clinton 1787: The Grand Convention, Macmillan Co. 1966 (borrow on archive.org).

Smith, Page The Constitution: A Documentary and Narrative History, Morrow Quill, 1978. 

Stewart, David O. The Summer of 1787: The Men Who Invented the Constitution, Simon & Schuster, 2007. 

* As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases.